This interview was undertaken in Nijmegen on August 16, 1996,
with Cornelius Becker, an 84 year old Jewish pawnbroker and survivor
of the Auschwitz-Birkenau extermination camp. The interviewing
officer is Sgt. Karim Abdullah of the Dutch Federal Police.

Int: Can you recognize any of the people in these photographs? 

CB: [looks at them for several minutes] This one [points to a
	picture of Peter Wisdom], and this one [points to a picture of
	Sgt. Abdullah's daughter]. Or maybe not her. Its hard to
	tell. That one [pointing to Abdullah's daughter] looks like 
	the woman, if you dyed her hair blonde.

Int: Where did you see them?

CB: In my shop. They came in wanting to pawn something.

Int: Did you recognize them?

CB: No, my assistant did. He reads that filthy rag, the Berliner
	Zeitung, looking for coded anti-semitic messages. He's a bit
	soft in the head. He recognized the man from a picture in
	article about smugglers, and he told me about it after they left. 

Int: But you dealt with them. 

CB: Yes. He just passed through the shop a few times while they
	were there.

Int: What did they want?

CB: The woman wanted to pawn something. A Star-of-David
	necklace, in silver. It bothered me.

Int: How so?

CB: I could see that she had worn it for a long time, around her
	neck. I survived the war here, you know. I spent most of it in
	hiding. It always hurts to see someone give up the faith.

Int: What made you think she was giving up her faith?

CB; She told me. She gave me the necklace, and the man tried to
	stop her. He said something like, " I saved that for you. I
	had to hide it, it was so dangerous, please don't give it up."
	on and on like that, but then she just looked at
	him and he shut up. Then she said to me, "This God is too great
	for me now. My world is reduced to nothing and I only need a
	small god now." When I looked in her eyes, I saw something
	that I had not seen since the war. It upset me so much
	that I gave her twice what it was worth and went in the back to
	lie down. I couldn't get up for the rest of the day.

Int: What did you see in her eyes?

CB: I am not going to talk about it.

Int: Why did you give her extra money? 

CB: She was on the run. She had been living on the street, but
	she was not a drug user. I suppose I needed to feel that in
	some way God was still able to help her. I don't want to talk
	about this anymore. Please go away.